BS Forensic Science

9 years 3 months ago #4331 by Matt
According to info, the BS Forensic Science will soon be part of a new program under Criminal Justice Education. Any comments?

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9 years 3 months ago #4332 by Fishbone
i don't think that most schools recently offering BSCrims are competent enough to open this kind of program.
CHED must carefully examine the facilities and the expertise of those who will teach.

baka magiging for-intsik lang. P  :P 

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9 years 3 months ago #4337 by junsy1951
I believed its still too premature to offer this program. Consider the following questions: Do our schools have adequate laboratories to support the laboratory requirement of the course? Will the course be regulated by PRC, hence graduates be licensed similar to criminologist? Do we have markets for these graduates? Do we have an approved Curriculum for the course? Who were consulted and what processes made during the consultations? What's PEACE official stand on this?, etc. Lets think some more before plunging into something we might not able to sustain later on. I really wanted to read any study on this proposal, if theres any. SS can you post it here. Thanks.

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9 years 3 months ago #4341 by mamdulz
whatta high sounding course huh?? the name itself is too demanding! kung hilaw lang din naman, wag na munang ihain... pag-aralang mabuti yan. hindi naman ikalalakas ng sistema ang pag-offer ng ganyang course dahil madaming trained to do the works of a forensic scientist. specialized na nga.. maybe sa masters or doctorate level, pwede - KUNG merong capable and equipped na school to offer.

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9 years 3 months ago #4344 by Agitator
hhhmm...expensive...are we ready?  a number of universities might be able to handle and afford the expenses this entails, procuring of updated forensic equipments, maintenance of laboratories, salaries for competent instrcutors in forensic science... the question is, could our government provide for the same updated facilities? kasi if not, san iaapply ng mga graduates nito ang napagaralan nila? sa U.S.?

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9 years 3 months ago #4345 by Fishbone
Siguro maraming Criminalist (Forensic Scientist) sa Ilo-ilo ano?

'coz the Western Visayas State U was  able to open a
Master of Science in Criminology, major in Forensic Science.



Check this out:

www.wvsu.edu.ph/index.php?option=com_con...iew&id=105&Itemid=31 - 25k -

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9 years 3 months ago #4356 by Matt

Siguro maraming Criminalist (Forensic Scientist) sa Ilo-ilo ano?

'coz the Western Visayas State U was  able to open a
Master of Science in Criminology, major in Forensic Science.



Check this out:

www.wvsu.edu.ph/index.php?option=com_con...iew&id=105&Itemid=31 - 25k -


Oo nga ano? how can this happen? wala pang guidelines or standards sa BS Foresic Science, meron na sa Masters? Kung ganon, am very sure, haw ciao na naman ito. Goodness!
Well, this is one problem with our educational system. Kulang talaga sa systema.

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9 years 3 months ago #4357 by junsy1951
CHED MO21 s2005 calls for the upgrading of the Criminology Program into an expanded CJS Education Program that will include offering in BS Forensic Science, Law Enforcement Administration, Correctional Administration, and Industrial Security Administration.However, the policies and standard accompanying that Mo is limited only to the Criminology, i.e. the curriculum. Since its publication nothing was heard about how to comeup with a common policies and standards for the other proposed program. Now, I heard that some schools because of their charter can offer these new programs even without this policies and standards officially approved by CHED. Is this possible? Am not so sure, but University de Zamboanga is one of those who offered these program and I have a lot of misgiving as to its acceptability. Its not about the money the school will earn but the future of the graduates. Any contrary opinion?

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9 years 3 months ago #4361 by mamdulz
... and who would dare contradict the truth sirjunsy?

ganun talaga eh. at WPU, a state-u, we offered BS Crim from scratch. as in teacher and classroom lang muna ang meron for the first sem of the first year. .. ang tuition and lab fee ng students ang gagamitin sa pagbili ng mga kelangan. hindi gaya ng pagtatayo ng restaurant na bilhin muna ang plato, sandok, kubyertos at kaldero bago makaopen ng business. sa schools kasi baligtad..

ang mali ay yong may graduates na pero hindi naupgrade ang curricullum at ang facilities. but we build up the facilities as the need arise. ganun talaga sa government.

baka same formula ginawa ng mga schools that offered BS Forensic Science. Pero sa masteral? dapat established na agad ang facilities kasi 2 years utmost ang master's degree eh.

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9 years 3 months ago #4366 by junsy1951
Forensic Science is quite a broad field. Since todate, only Criminology is the only recognized profession by the PRC having licensure examination, I guess it only proper to make Forensic Science as a major field of study. Looking at the various specialized field of FS, we can start by focusing on the less expensive alternative, like forensic psychology, then gradually moving to the more expensive aspects of it as we build up our capabilities and work on the legal aspect of it. Its hard to be called an expert on forensic science without the any legal basis. Medical officers can be expert in forensic medicines because they already have relevant training and adequate exposure to the field.

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8 years 6 months ago #5483 by RK Manwong
you cant escape...CHED technical panel on BS Forensic Science has finalized the curriculum...soon to come out...infact..i know  school who just opend it ..whew!! lets move on...perhps we ca lso offer BS Correctional Admin ASAP...wahahahah

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8 years 4 months ago #5706 by Matt
for public hearing na raw and BS ForScie

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8 years 4 months ago #5716 by mamdulz
sir SS, anong school ang nag-ooffer na ng BS Forensic Science? maka-enroll nga...

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6 years 2 months ago #8178 by Lapina Melcon
Comments on Subject Offering

1. Philippine Criminal Justice System (CJE 2) can be fused in Criminal Procedure (CJE 5).
Reason: The very reason for studying these courses is for student to understand the “what is and how is” in the processing of an offender from apprehension to conviction and not to appreciate the “why” that the study of criminology also delves into.
2. Violence against Women and Children (CJE 7) and Law on Human Rights (CJE 8) can be integrated.
Reason: The courses are very brief. Student needs only to know what the laws involved in these courses and not why as in the study of criminology.
3. Fundamentals of Criminal Investigation (CJE 2) and Crime Scene Investigation (FS 10) can be combined into one.
Reason: The study of forensic science focuses on the instrumentation – the crime scene and the physical evidences thereto.
4. Polygraphy (Lie Detection) should not be included in the Forensic Science Curriculum.
Reasons:
4.1 It is consistent with science. It is not accepted in the scientific community. (Iacono, 2001)
4.2 It’s potential ramifications with Frye v. United States, 293 F. 1013 and Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals,509 U.S. 579
4.3 It’s procedures cannot be standardized – the very core upon which scientific evidence rests. This is well demonstrated in the ABC’s experiment on polygraph.
4.4 Not included in the book Criminalistics: An Introduction to Forensic Science, the most widely used book in the study of forensic science. (Saferstein, 2010)

Recommendations:

1. Offering of two English subjects – Speech and Argumentation and Debate
Reason: Useful preparation for court testimony
2. Offering of Trigonometry subject
Reason: Useful for analyzing trigonometrical aspects of the crime scene, e.g. trajectory of bullets and
3. Offering of microscopy as a separate subject to forensic instrumentation

Bibliography
Iacono, W. G. (2001). Forensic "Lie Detection": Procedures Without Scientific Basis. Journal of Forensic Psychology Practice , 75-84.
Saferstein, R. C. (2010). Criminalistics: An Introduction to Forensic Science. Retrieved October 24, 2011, from Pearson: wps.prenhall.com/chet_saferstein_crimina...7,3208190--t,00.html

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6 years 2 months ago #8181 by RK Manwong
..despite the many loopholes..i believe, this is a welcome development for the profession..

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6 years 2 months ago #8184 by mohaliden
ok this is very nice cors again..my licensure exam ba etng field?

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6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #8185 by ezor
Philippine College of criminology is recognized by American Academy of Forensic Sciences. I don't know what it means, but its pretty cool though.

check this out:
www.aafs.org/Undergraduate-Programs-Outside-United-States

what do you guys think?

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6 years 2 months ago #8187 by aldine lunday
i think they are right because that colleges is fully equip by aaparatos for criminology

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6 years 2 months ago #8188 by ezor
Is Philippine College of Criminology a good school to attend?

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6 years 2 months ago #8192 by mohaliden
yup PCCR is top schools in criminology and other related law enforcement courses...a lot of topnotchers and passers..

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